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why wont my brakes bleed?!?!

digglesworth

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So I'm trying to bleed my brakes and it's not going as planned.... I sucked what fluid I could outta the reservoir and topped it off with new... I had a helper pump and hold the brake pedal while I cracked the bleeder on the passenger rear caliper... I got a good amount of fluid out the first time... After that, got nothing... I have a hose from the bleeder into a cup... Everytime we pump and hold the pedal and crack the bleeder, it's sucking fluid outta the cup back up toward the bleeder.... What the heck is going on here? I even tried putting grease round the bleeder where it screws into the caliper to create a seal. I've pumped and cracked the bleeder a dozen or so times and it's not flushing fluid through the line. I'm confused.....
 

digglesworth

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I turned the ignition on and let the power brakes take over. I let it run out for a few seconds, pumped the pedal again and let it run out again. I did that until the new fluid ran through.... Hopefully it'll be ok. I've never had to turn a car on to bleed brakes before....
 

4speedfunk

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Oh yeah there is some crazy sh*t going on with the H3 brakes. If there is any air trapped in the lines...you'll know it as soon as you hit 30mph. I finally got mine right after 6 or 7 months of driving around. All of the old rule-of-thumbs don't apply to the H3.
 

deserth3

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Sorry took me awhile. Couldn't find my service DVD (I hid it from the new dog. She's still destructive). Had to pull out my paper manual and type the hard way.
Hummer H3 BrakeBleeding Procedure​
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Note; Keep the master cylinder cap in place while bleedingthe brakes. Remove only to fill.
1. Install proper box-end wrench to Right-Rearbleed valve.
2. Install clear hose over the end of the bleedvalve
3. Submerge other end of hose into a clearcontainer partially filled with new brake fluid
4. Have an assistant turn on ignition, thenpartially apply and hold brake pedal. DO NOT pump brake pedal.
5. Loosen the bleeder valve to purge air.
6. Tighten bleed valve, then have assistant slowlyrelease the brake pedal
7. Wait 15 seconds, The repeat steps 4-6 until allair is purged from the cylinder.
8. Then proceed to Left-Rear, then Right-front,Then left-Front
9. Don’t forget to check fluid level duringprocedure, and top off when done.
 

digglesworth

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That's close to what we did... I had the cap off... Ignition was on... Asst pumped pedal several times and held it while I cracked the bleeder valve... At first. The fluid looked a little foamy... As we did that several times and could tell the new fluid had made its way all they way through, it didn't look like any air bubbles were coming through.... Wondering if I need to try it again... Drove it around and it felt good....
 

deserth3

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Pumping the pedal cause the foam. Most likely you're good to go if you got clean fluid through. But I'm no expert either. IF it fails self test or starts to feel spongy, you'll have a pretty good idea why. Bleeding them again never hurts.
 

4speedfunk

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Other than the ignition being on...that's the way I've bled brakes for 30 years. However on the H3, I eventually gave up on this method and used a vacuum pump.

Regardless of how you bleed the brakes, you must get all the air out of the lines. There is something very goofy and strange going on with the H3's brake system. As you hit 30 mph, the H3's computer initiates some sort of "purge" or "test" in the brake system. It will apply the RH side brakes for 5 seconds then release...then it will apply the LH side brakes for 5 seconds and release. When this happens, if there is any air in the system...the truck will dart hard for the ditch then hard for the centerline. Its very surprising and sudden, and sometimes the truck would slow itself down to 15 mph. All of this happens without any driver input to brake pedal. Also, there is no pulsing or ABS light whatsoever. You are merely driving along and when you hit 30 mph...it will dart right...then dart left. If you're not ready for it, you'll be off the road (or worse). I messed with mine for three months trying to figure out WTF?

The brake-thru (pun) came when I noticed that it only did this first thing in the morning. After I drove and applied the brakes several times...the problem went away. I deduced that this was because I had "pumped" the brakes several times and compressed the air bubble to the point where it wasn't a problem. Only after sitting overnight would the pressure bleed-off, and that's when the bubble would return to its hiding spot somewhere inside a brake line. The H3's computerized master cylinder was doing something to compensate for it. Once I got ALL the air out...it works great once again.

I vaguely recall a story years ago about a red solid-axle H3. The guy had installed Rockwells (overkill) and the truck had mysteriously activated the brakes at highway speed. He rolled the truck and totaled it. Obviously his center-of-gravity was way too high but, I can't help but think this roll-over might have been caused by improper brake bleeding.
 
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digglesworth

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Interesting story.... I would've had no idea about that.... I work on my truck in my grandpa's garage and I drove it about 15min home... I surely hit 30mph on the way home and didn't notice a pull either way....
 

deserth3

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4speedfunk, all I can figure is you got some air in the master brake cylinder. It has it's own bleed instructions which are a bit more involved.
 

Xlr8n

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Digglesworth- If you got to the point where you had clear new fluid coming out the bleeders, then you should be good to go. If you had air in the lines you'd know it right away on the H3.
 

digglesworth

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The pedal feels much better... I had a little pulsating feeling through the pedal and I thought the rotors may be a little warped... Most of that is gone now and I've got more pad left than I thought so I can wait a little longer to do a brake job....
 
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