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Where to live?

mudbug

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Just getting some insight on places to live when the wife retires.
We are looking at WA, Hot Springs SD, WY, AK and maybe TX.
I grew up in TX but I've lived in AK and Long Beach CA so now when I visit my parents I find TX to be really hot.
We found some land in South Dakota that we are interested in but we know nothing about SD.
The only draw back to AK is no easily accessible h4o events and it takes to long to drive to Moab.
 

SuperBuickGuy

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Washington is good on the east-side of the mountains (other then the fires) and is similar to South Dakota in weather, and environment. SD has some really big issues with affordable housing, but I expect that to level off a bit over time.

Alaska... no comment, I lived there and I'm part of the two groups (one would never leave, and then there ones like me who find excuses to never go back)

Honestly, if I could find property - I'd say South Dakota but that's just me.
 

mudbug

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True their is a lot of different areas in TX to live but I'm partial to East Texas. My brother lives close to Austin and my cousins live near Dallas. The wife wanted to move to Canyon Tx close to Amarillo but Im not fond of living on the plains. If we move to TX I would like to live close to Wichita Falls. Before we commit to a place I would like to know what else is out there.
We still have our house in Alaska I part of me would like to move back but I always find Alaska to be a inconvenience state when it comes time to visit or be visited.
 

SuperBuickGuy

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it's funny because my wife and I have been working to identify places to retire to.... I really, really doubt it will be western Washington. I want to live somewhere where I can wheel, ski, and generally raise havoc out my back door.
 

mudbug

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X2 on that one. That is the only reason I love Alaska. I loved leaving out of the garage on my 4wheeler and head to the store and top off the gas tank and take the long way back home.
 

f5moab

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Don't forget ID. Cheap property taxes, they don't tax your SS as some states do, plenty of open lands to wheel (not like Moab wheeling); unfavorable gun laws for anti-gunners:giggle:; and lots of mountains. If you like to get out away from people, this has been a great state for me. And in southeastern ID, I'm about 6 hours from Moab, and that includes plenty of stops to allow the dogs to get out.

And go about 2 or 3 hours further north, and you can ride out of the garage to the local store on the ATV.

I did a lot of research when I retired. Looked for a state that would be good for low taxes on a retiree; had gun laws that pissed off the anti-gunners, had lots of mountains and high altitude pine forest camp grounds (ID has hundreds, but WY and MT are close...Yellowstone is 2.5 hours, Jackson WY 2.5 hours....) and had to have four seasons, and had to have reasonable housing costs. It came down, in my requirements, to WY and ID. However, the only two cities I really liked in WY were Cody and Jackson. Jackson is way too expensive to live and housing costs are ludicrous. Cody is not as expensive to live, but again housing costs were very high. And the both were tourist cities, so like Moab, during the tourist season it is traffic, traffic and more traffic and hundreds of thousands of lost people driving the streets.
 
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mudbug

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Taxes are the reason why we picked the states listed. The wife is going to be retired military and ID taxes military retirement. It's sad though cause the wife loves ID. We are also trying to stay close to a military base so we can shop and the wife wants a base that does space a travel.
 

scoreh3

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Well don't move out here to Ca . The state's new plan is to tax the grap out of our , raise all of our veh registrations by at least a 100 dollars a year and cut our driving in half of fine the crap out of us . So that would mean no more wheeling trip unless you start walking everywhere so as not to rack up any miles on your rig . I think we will be looking for a better state to retire in in a few years .
 

f5moab

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Didn't know that about military retirement. Guess the only military we have here is Mountain Home AFB in western ID.

Another hint when looking, just don't look at taxes, look at fees. Example, WY has no income taxes, but do they soak you on license plate fees for vehicles.

Good luck....
 

mudbug

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The wife is from Cali and we was stationed in SoCal a couple of years ago but never do we want to live in Cali.
Thanks F5 on heads up on Wyomings fees. I try to consider those things as well but sometimes I get side tracked while looking for land.
 

f5moab

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The so called colorful people in the panhandle, if you are talking about the racists ones, are pretty much gone and have been for years. Those are the ones that gave the nickname of White-a-Ho to the state. Now if you are talking about those who believe in the US constitution, they are all around ID (excluding Boise area) and MT; not just in the panhandle.
But it appears from his other posts, ID is out due to the taxing of military pay.
 

SuperBuickGuy

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racists, constitutionalists, environmentalists all look the same to me - sure, they have different philosophies but the nuttiness looks exactly the same

I'll try to find it again - there's a calculator that factors in all taxes and costs of living in a particular place, thus, the taxing of military pay (while annoying) may not actually make the costs of living there any higher (IIRC, Alabama is always number 1 on the list - but who wants to live there?). I know that Washington is always in the 'most expensive' lists of places to live.
 

f5moab

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Are you putting racists, and constitutionalists into the same category? Wow, better read up on the differences. However, I didn't say ID has constitutionalists, I said they had people who believe in the US Constitution. I take it you don't?

Back on subject....
Beware of those "best places to retire" articles. Many are based solely on tax structure, and don't include fees, housing costs, and what is is like to live in that state. I agree AK is "usually" the first to be noted, but when adding in cost of living it drops. WY is also number 2 in many articles, but again fees and cost of living can kill you in some parts of the state; and the saying around here is ID is windy, but WY just blows all the time. Something a life long WY resident once told me.

Also, some states may show a fairly high income tax rate (heck ID is around 7.4% and higher than UT or MI), but again, take into consideration the deduction on incomes taxes (if the state has one) for those over 62-65 years of age and/or retired and whether or not social security is taxed at a regular income level, reduced due to age, or just not taxed at all (same for you with the military pay).

Also some states like TN, that effectively have NO Income taxes and may of the articles will state it is a great place to live; however, if the retiree pulls in a lot of dividend and interest payments vs. retirement benefits or SS; the state taxes them per the Hall Income Tax of TN. It is 6%. And many of these articles do not mention that, even though a lot or retirees received large amounts of dividends or interest to live on.

Then, there might also be other mitigating factors to help make a decision; but don't rely on articles, do deeper research.

For example in this article, they show UT one step ahead of ID, but primarily due to healthcare, taxes and weather. ID does have colder weather and more snow on average than UT. UT's income tax is lower than ID; it's a flat 5%, but they tax a senior (including SS) at almost the full flat tax rate (small deduction for over 65); whereas in ID, being a senior and taking all the SS off your tax sheet drops a person down to an actually lower tax rate than in UT; considerably lower.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/retirement/best-places-retire-how-state-ranks.aspx

And they say UT has better healthcare; that is true in some areas. If you live in the Salt Lake City area, you have great healthcare facilities, great hospitals etc. Boise, Idaho Falls and Pocatello have some very good hospitals, as good as many in SLC, but not as good as the two or three major hospitals in SLC; no denying that. However, looking at Moab where I lived, there was one option for healthcare and it was not known as a great place. You only hoped that they would airlift you to Grand Junction to a decent hospital in time for you to still be breathing when you arrived.:giggle:

So it is not just the state you have to check out, it is the area within the state.

When I did this, I had a 10 page spreadsheet that included all taxes; income (as figured on an estimated income including retirement and SS); property; sales, and other taxes. Also any possible fees (plates, registration...vehicle, trailer, etc.). Also cost of living such as housing costs, possible repair costs, water/garbage pickup etc.
Healthcare facilities nearby, gun laws, and tons of other info.

Took me six months to decide on ID. With two people, you and your wife it might take longer. For me it was just my decision alone.
 

a_estep23

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How about here in Ohio? If for no other reason, to be a BUCKEYE. .. lol. It's a pretty nice state to live in though. A little of everything here. Some decent size cities for the city folks., some flat country for the farmers, some rolling hills "small mountains" (lol) for the hummers, and 4 distinct weather seasons.. oh, and jobs..lol

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Bigunit

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What the hell is a BUCKEYE? The eye of a buck or a small brown nut or some type of shrub?
 

skeptic

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I've lived in OR, CA, FL, and UT. After 10 years in UT I just moved back to OR. I'd recommend OR or WA. I like being within an hour or two or the coast, so no land locked states. OR has 4 real seasons, a fairly mild climate with great summers and barely any snow in the winter in the valley or high desert hot summers and cold snowy winters in the Eastern half of the state. As a whole, the state is far less tree-hugger than Portland/Eugene makes it seem. Plenty of areas to buy a lot of land.
 

mudbug

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Wow! That is a lot of info F5 and thanks for sharing. I'm trying to get the wife to understand that this decision on where to retire is going to take some time. She thinks she can spin the globe and put her finger on it and that's it we would be happy forever or even buy land online without even setting foot on the land. Hopefully I can get the wife to stay in a few more years so we can make it back to the lower 48 and we can travel to each state and visit.
Oh and I checked into Wy dmv and I would have to get a lone just to register my vehicles.
 

offroadrr

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Southwest Colorado is a great place to live and you will never run out of places to 4 wheel. Also close to Moab. I have been 4 wheeling in co for all my life (48 years) and still haven't seen it all. You can find all climates in colorado also.

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