VW Diesel

[LagunaH1]

Soooo....... I'm sure many of your have read about "Dieselgate".

Well, I happen to own one of the affected vehicles, a 2012 Passat TDi. So far, it's been nothing short of a great car, super reliable, fuel efficient, comfortable etc etc.

There's a lot being said online about this but the only thing that really bugs me is this: What has this whole mess done to the resale value of my car? I doubt anything positive. Prior to the scandal, I was about ready to get serious about trading the car for a new 2016 Passat. I might still do that, but I can't really make up my mind what the best approach is going to be to try and get VW to make me whole when it comes time to trade the car in.

I don't want to take this out on the dealer, it's not their fault. -I also don't want to get a ridiculously low price for my car.

I'm not adverse to legal remedies but I'd rather not.

So... what to do..... How does one even begin to assess the loss of value resulting from VW's fraud / deceit / cheating?

 

[Bigunit]

Diminished value claim, you have (as Yoda would say). Hold on to it and hold out or sell it to me for $100 with an assignment of claims. I have an edumacated gut feeling that VW will be offering to trade you for a new model vehicle and some cash if you are willing to sign a release of claims...this isn't legal advice, just my edumacated guess.

 

[LagunaH1]

this isn't legal advice, just my edumacated guess.

Coming from you, your "guess" carries quite a lot of weight :hans:

 

[cgalpha08]

Supposedly they have a "fix" for the vehicles or are in the process of coming up with a solution for this dibacle

 

[JonBishop]

Tell them to buy your Passat back from you then just buy my 2013 Passat SE so I can get a hummer again... Best advice I can give you.... [emoji6] lol sorry to hear that mikkel, I'm sure they'll give you a killer deal over this headache


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[3Hummers]

I almost bought one. Hope you don't have trouble getting it registered when it comes due.

 

[05Mudiak]

you hear that its just not VW now they have found other companies with the same "issues"


but as already stated I would hold out and see what VW comes up with as an fix/answer

 

[LagunaH1]

Yeah, I'm going to wait and see, at least for the short term.

 

[alrock]

Heck, VW already pulled diesels from their sales. US is refusing to certify their diesels right now and VW's issue has slowed down certifications for new diesels like for the Colorado. As Bigunit said, I would hold on and not do a knee-jerk reaction. Those that are dumping their VWs, diesel or otherwise, are not getting good money for them.

You've already been through this as a Hummer owner - gas prices skyrocketed, Hummer resale values plummeted. Once gas was no longer approaching $5/gallon, prices stabilized and even increased.

You shoulda bought a Prius :barf:

 

[High Five H2]

I don't understand how this whole thing affects regular drivers. They will probably just have to reporgram the cars, which might affect fuel economy. It's not like owners will have to stop driving them.

 

[LagunaH1]

There's a ton of speculation about what may happen when VW finally develops the various changes / fixes. Many fear that they will lose power and mileage. I guess this all remains to be seen

 

[ReconH3]

This is a sign of VWs mentality and why you stay clear of the brand. I did a lot of R&D for the auto industry. Some was for VAG ( Volkswagen Audi Group). Many years ago (7/8 approx) they said that diesel was going to disappear in about a decade. They said back then diesel had reached it's limit in performance and ability to meet environmental requirements. Remember that they are the biggest and most experimented company as far as diesel is concerned. The two other diesel giants (BMW & MB) had already started researching alternative fuel sources for this exact same reason. U.S. Diesel laws are way stricter than European ones. This made me wonder how VW was able to keep selling diesel vehicles here. Since I had gotten out of the loop, I figured they had come up with something new to keep them cleans. Turns out they didn't and were cheating.

More recently I did a small gig where I met up with an old friend that was still working for VAG. He started to explaining how most of their research is focused in making their vehicles unrepairable by anyone that's not an official dealer. They've actually already started. You can't do anything to their vehicles without being directly connected to the factory through their encrypted network. All the he parts are coded and if you aren't connected to their network, you can't change or repair them. That's not a big deal if your dealer is actually good and honest. What if you break down where there isn't a dealer? Your screwed. This happened to a friend in Berlin!!!!!! Another friend had the same problem with his car in Vegas. His battery had died on a weekend. AAA came to help him but couldn't because the coded battery in his car couldn't be swapped because the new battery had to be coded in, and that could only be done by the dealer which was closed. There are some "tricks" that can be done to work around this with some of the simpler fixes, but not for long. VAG is designing it critical components to be "chipped" so they can't be touched without it being connected to their closed network. Another example of their electronic manipulation is with something as simple as Bluetooth. In a he US their cars are compatible with iPhones. In Europe, the exact same vehicle, only work with Nokia and some other select brands. This sucks because I was an avid VW owner. Even my wife's car is a Tiguan, but no longer for me. Just thought I would share this info.


"Ex Umbris Venimus"

 

[High Five H2]

wow. I wonder if anyone else is doing stuff like that. I was looking into a diesel wagon for the wife the drive and to take on road trips. BMW, maybe?

 

[ReconH3]

I have no insight on BMW but don't be surprised if that is going to turn into the new trend. Jeeps now have encrypted ECUs. That was unheard of in the U.S. My brother has had very good success with Mercedes diesels. His last one lasted over 600,000! He has a GP2 team that is constantly on the road.



"Ex Umbris Venimus"

 

[cowboy_tech]

I would think it would increase private party resale. Who wants a castrated diesel. I wish i could do an egr delete on my 14L S60 Detroit. More power and better mpg.

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[High Five H2]

I'm predicting the fix is going to be some new ECU programming. Reprogrammed VWs will suffer a bit in mileage and power. There will be a class action lawsuit and VW will have to pay the government a huge fine, in the billion dollar range.

 

[3Hummers]

Multi-billion dollar range