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Motor Oils..

HUMMERDAD

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I have noticed in one of my threads the discussion of motoroils what to use what not so I thought I would ask all of you what Oil do youuse? No I am active duty Navy so this is no deal scam I am simply curious. :huh:
 

08H3

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Cheapest dino-oil I can find meeting GM-6094. The masses will disagree with me, but I think the synthetics are a waste of money. I used to run nothing but Mobil-1 years ago but switched and had no ill effects.
 

Kurt

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I run whatever is cheapest that meets SAE and OEM requirements for diesel in 15W40. It's usually Mobil DELVAC Super 1300, or Chevron Delo. Note that's for diesels like the H1. I usually buy bulk when the local autoparts store has a buy one get one free sale on oil or walmart.

I don't bother with synthetic in the H1 since the oil change/service interval is still 3000 miles. Because I have the dual oil filter kit, my oil capacity is 9 quarts, so I put in 2 gallons of oil plus 1 quart of lucas oil stabilizer.

I run lucas hub oil in the geared hubs but everything is synthetic on the driveline. Dexron VI in the transmission and transfer case [double check your application, I know some types of Dexron isn't rated for the H2/H3 transfercase, Zach knows better than I do], plus a GM Synthetic in the power steering pump. The differentials with the e-locker I run the OEM Hummer/cognis fluid.
 

SolidusJ

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I run Quaker State full syntec oil with FRAM TG9837, I run 4,000 to 5,000 but I'm thinking of going with mobile 1. Nothing wrong with QS but I was told moble 1 is always put in GM trucks and I should run what comes out the factory.
 
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DJinCO

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Shipmate,

The brand of oil really depends on your driving habits and your environment. I have used M1, Amsoil, Pennsoil and Castrol. The difference? I perform a used oil analysis to find out how the oil is holding up. For my driving habits, M1 was not keeping the "bad stuff" in check, nor was it holding the viscosity at the 5W30 levels. I even tried theM1 extended drain oil and that was toast in 9K miles (advertised to be good to 15K). The Amsoil was good, but not great.

No, one cannot tell the quality of the oil by sight, sound or taste. A tribologist must perform an analysis. Will chicken fat changed monthly work in your engine? Maybe. Can you tell the difference in your "butt dyno"? Maybe. Maybe not.

Oil does wear out. Oil gets dirty. That is what it is designed to do. Lubricate, cool and remove dirt, combustion particles (soot) and fuel.

If you want to just pick an oil, you can certainly pick any of the top tier brands and run your vehicle for many hundreds of thousands of miles. Engine failure from oil is really pretty unlikely. My suggestion would be to stay away from the no-name oils that you find at the dollar store or 7-11.

Take care.
 
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Dennis

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Being a shellbacker, may I call you a fellow Squid?:cheers: (VA 176, A6E Intruder squadron, NAS OCEANA-VA Beach, attached to the USS America CVA-66, ..Pier 12, Norfolk, VA.. 1973 to 1977)

I have over my 40 years of owning cars have used only CASTROL; first the GTX then the Syntec and now Edge..I have never experienced any leaking or burning or ANY engine problems internal to the oil lubricating system or main engine parts..That is proof in the pudding for me.



Just an FYI:

When the "Four Ball Wear Test" comes up in discussion on this topic, contrary to some belief, The "Four ball wear test" pertains to High pressure applications as in Gear lubes generally and not Engine oils, so the data is not valid from a "Four ball wear test" when considering engine Oils.

By definition:
determines a lubricant's antiwear properties under boundary lubrication (metal to metal contact). Three steel balls are clamped together to form a cradle upon which a fourth ball rotates on a vertical axis. The balls are immersed in the oil sample at a specified speed, temperature and load. At the end of a specified test time, the average diameter of the wear scars on the three lower balls is measured. During the test, the load is increased every 10 minutes up to the point where the frictional trace indicates incipient seizure. The coefficient of friction is measured at the end of each 10 min interval.
 
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DJinCO

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Hey Shipmate,

I think VA176 moved over to INDY in 77-78; I was on INDY Dec 1977 to Nov 1980; OZ Div/CVIC. Howdy! I spent 24 years in the Navy, retired as in Intelligence LDO. The Navy was very good to me! :thumbs:

Back to the oil.

I have the Castrol Edge Titanium in my H3 right now. I received a case and a Wix filter for free to evaluate. I'll pull an oil sample for analysis (UOA) at 5000 miles. Previously, my "best" oil was the Penzoil Platinum (PP). I was almost ready to have a UOA in June 2010 with the PP when a kid blew a stop sign and totaled my Tahoe. Anyway, so the H3 was purchased. Then I had to clean the engine with Shell Rotella T5. That took a few months. Then a cleaning with M1 for 5000 miles. I pulled a sample of the M1 to get a baseline. In a few months I'll sample the Edge Titanium and we'll see a report on the effectiveness.

The M1 (in my Tahoe 5.3L) was breaking down quickly and suffering from fuel dilution.

As a side note, the H3 was run on standard, non-synthetic, GM Goodwrench 5W30 for the first 125K miles. The previous owner worked at the dealership and drove A LOT of highway miles. So he got free oil changes, and got them frequently.

That was a really good thing for me! I was fortunate to be able to get this H3 for a good price. Very well maintained, I am happy with it. I just turned over 135K miles this past week!

Right after I purchased the H3 I pulled a sample of the transmission fluid for testing. That fluid was really used up and I changed the fluid ASAP. The funny thing was that the previous fill was probably performed as just a drain and fill since the UOA identified additives in the used transmission fluid found in Dexron III and not in Dexron IV or Dexron VI. I don't think there was any damage, but if I had gone by mileage alone, I would not have changed the fluid.

The four-ball test is IMHO a really misleading test standard. One expert, who's opinion I value, has said that paraffinated chlorine blended into a 10 cSt straight mineral oil will result in wear scars of 1mm or less. But the long term effects may be catastrophic.

Motor Oil is a multi-BILLION dollar (if not Trillion) industry. If one blend or even three blends did everything, think of how much money would be lost.

My bottom line is that any of the top tier oils, in a weight approved for your engine, will protect, lubricate, cool and remove dirt from your engine. Change oil regularly. If you are hard on your engine, change it more frequently, like every 3K miles. If you are really easy on the gas pedal, never go off road and the environment (temperature) is a constant 72 degrees, you could probably change your oil every 10K miles.

Most of us are somewhere between those two standards; I am, so I change oil between 5K and 6K; use a high quality oil filter and also change the air filter with each oil change.

My tribologist is also a former squid. He makes his living from oil formulation.
I am preparing to change the F&R diff's and the transfer case fluid. ... but that is another thread, and we don't need to go there....:bl9: again.

IMHO, the best gear lube for the F&R diff's would be... Schaeffer Oil EP 75w-90 E/A (#741). The smallest package for that is 40lb pail. That is a LOT. I will be ordering some Bio-Syn GL-5 75W90 LS Gear Oil. This is made from plants. After the Castrol "test" I'll be using bio-syn 5W30 motor oil.

Renewable Lubricants[SUP]TM[/SUP], Inc. (RLI[SUP]TM[/SUP]) manufactures ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE lubricant products that are formulated from renewable agricultural plant and animal resources. RLI's full-line of proven biobased lubricants gives our customers enhanced vegetable lubricant performance from soy, corn, canola, sunflower and other bio-materials for BioPreferred[SUP]SM [/SUP]purchasing. The patented biobased technology transforms these oils into high performance green lubricants that can endure the harshest, hottest engines and the cruelest, coldest winters. Biodegradable lubricant products eliminates the potential for hazardous leaks and spills. This is really great on the trails and near water sources.

That's what I am doing with my fluids in my H3!:am1:
 

MaxPF

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I have been using Chevron Delo 400LE for the last few changes in the Cummins, and I go 6000-8000 miles on a change. I have been concerned about the reductions in zinc-based anti-wear additives in the latest CJ spec oils (important in a Cummins which uses flat tappets), although their detergency and soot-handling are amazing. For my next change I already have 3 gallons of Delo waiting to go in to the crankcase, but I may switch to Lucas 15W-40 Magnum High TBN CI-4 oil or Brad Penn HD Select 15-40 Diesel Engine oil after that, since these oils have higher levels of zinc AW additives.
 

HUMMERDAD

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Well the topic I think has sparked some really good debates.At this point I use Royal Purple 5W-30W syntec switched a few years back whenstationed in Hawaii, so far I have been happy and have had no problems, For themobile 1 oils I agree it's a great oil for a diesel. I used in the KenworthW900 I drove years back never a problem but those engines at the time wheremuch different than now anyway it has been very interesting to hear all of youropinions on what one uses and wow DjinCO talk about taken it to the next levelWay to go Shipmate!!
For obvious reasons I do not give out my current dutylocation but have served on the USS HIGGINS DDG 76, USS BENFOLD DDG 65, USSRUSSELL DDG 56, USS CHAFFE DDG 90 for those interested parties.
Yes was a west coast sailor until recently…
 
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Dennis

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I will add to my oil experiences...Back in the mid 70's when Mobil 1 first came out..I tried it in my new Totota Celica GT with about 12,000 miles on it already..(Yes, I am so anal, I still have my maintenance records of every car I've owned:roll:)..Right after putting it in the car, it started burning about a quart of oil per tank full...Back then on E5 pay, I couldn't affort 4 to 5 extra qts of Mobil 1 every month..So I quit using it and went back to Castrol GTX and the car stopped burning any oil from then on.

I use Royal Purple in the Differentials (and trust it).. I think and from what I have heard also, their Motor oils are superb too...But I'm stuck on Castrol Edge and been very happy with that stuff too...I may convert one day, who knows:huh:
 
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Dennis

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Hey Shipmate,

I think VA176 moved over to INDY in 77-78; I was on INDY Dec 1977 to Nov 1980; OZ Div/CVIC. Howdy! I spent 24 years in the Navy, retired as in Intelligence LDO. The Navy was very good to me! :thumbs:
WOW! I often wondered what went on behind those hatches..The Red Deck areas always had Grunts guarding those passage ways
:boom:


But just in case you go through the rest of your life not knowing..We the enlisted, called all you Officers (except Warrant) ZEROs. :am6:
 
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DJinCO

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I know. I was a Senior Chief before I was an officer. I was a proud member of the Chief's Mess long before I was a member of the Wardroom. The LDO/CWO community is very closely tied together. The zero's you are talking about those "College Boys" that can't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions are written on the heel.

But the retirement check every month sure is nice!
 
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