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'97 H1: Coolant expansion tank pressure build up

LagunaH1

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Hi everyone,

Hopefully I'm just being paranoid and an automotive hypochondriac but:

Yesterday, I took a friend out for a ride in the truck around town. Truck started great, warmed up as I was driving around and I saw the engine / coolant temp increase during the warm-up as always. As always, the temps climbed until they reached approximately 185 - 190 degrees. Usually, after that first rise, the temps will drop down to about 182 when the thermostat opens for the first time and the cool / cold water from the radiator circulates in through the block.

Yesterday, however, it dropped down to about 170 degrees and then started climbing back up and from there it stayed stable for the rest of the drive.

So, because I'm paranoid I decided to do a test I've read about several times on the HML:

1: With a cold truck, open the coolant surge tank to equalize pressure
2: Close the cap again and start the truck
3: Let it run for about a minute
4: Shut down and open the coolant tank's cap again

If there is any pressure in the tank at this point, it supposedly may indicate the dreaded cylinder #8 issue (a crack in the cylinder wall) because 1 minute supposedly is too short a time to warm up the coolant so any pressure build up logically must come from something else.

Well, I went through the test and unfortunately I *did* notice a little bit of pressure build up in the coolant surge tank after the first minute of running the engine.

So, I am of course now worried that my truck may have developed that dreaded cylinder number 8 issue.

My question is this: Can anyone think of any more accurate methods for diagnosing / confirming the issue?
 

Kurt

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I wouldn't trust the dash guage that much.. it can be off by a bit. Not sure if your 1997 has a OBD port, might be able to pull more accurate temperatures or use a laser thermometer.

Might be an air bubble... the #8 comes with multiple signs... usually white smoke and/or milkshake in the oil. The #8 also happens pretty fast as in... its ok to boom, not ok, not a gradual thing.
 

LagunaH1

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usually white smoke and/or milkshake in the oil. The #8 also happens pretty fast as in... its ok to boom, not ok, not a gradual thing.

Ah, that was one thing I hadn't thought of. Thanks.

BTW, the temps were all read using my ScanGauge
 

abearden

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On the GM truck version of the 6.5, you start the truck from cold and immediately squeeze the upper radiator hose. Because a cracked cylinder will act like an air pump, it'll feel hard and pressurized immediately as opposed to soft and pliable for the first 3-5 minutes of idling. Any way to do that on the H1?
 

LagunaH1

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That might be a really good test. This should be quite simple to do on an H1 as the upper hose is quite well exposed
 

PreferredChassisFab

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My question is this: Can anyone think of any more accurate methods for diagnosing / confirming the issue?

Combustion gas in the cooling system can be detected by puting the overflow hose in a container of clear water and operating engine at "stabilized" operating temperature. Since combustion gas will cause the cooling system to be over pressurized the cap will vent the excess, causing the excessive pressure to make bubbles in the test container. Remember the overflow hose needs to be submurged and engine needs to be running at operating temperature.

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LagunaH1

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I checked the upper radiator hose and it stayed soft & pliable. Also the expansion tank overflow hose didn't blow bubbles.

I'll do these tests again next weekend when I have more time
 

Bigunit

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...ah, I see. We don't have those those types of "experiences" in Arizona. Must be one of those California-type things. Time to move.

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LagunaH1

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I'll do these tests again next weekend when I have more time

I re-did the test where I place the expansion tank discharge hose in a bottle of water and ran the engine from cold under the assumption that IF there is a crack in a cylinder wall, it will be more likely to leak while the engine is cold. There were no bubbles in the water bottle. Good news :)
 
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