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Low Buck H3 SAS - touchdown!

ReconH3

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If your local dealer is a good one, they'll help you out. I had both Tustin Hummer in Irvine, CA, and Hendrick Hummer in Cary, NC. Both really helped solve many electrical issues. It's the coolest feeling when you drive it off the lift for the first time. :D


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4speedfunk

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Lift? Dude...I said "low-buck" (that means jack-stands and a creeper!). :gaah:

Regardless...that first drive is very strange. There's no way I'm going any further than my driveway until I get some shocks. Its very bouncy and feels downright unsafe...like it would flip over at 20mph. I think a front sway-bar will be mandatory. Did you ever get yours figured out?
 

ReconH3

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I think a front sway-bar will be mandatory. Did you ever get yours figured out?

Yeah. I'm running Currie anti-rock sway bars front and rear. The guys at East Coast Gear Supply here in NC modified it and reinforced it. The way it was setup the first time, it was forcing the arms to twist and the heims would hit another bracket.



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4speedfunk

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Today I installed some add-a-leafs on the rear springs, Fox shocks up front, and temporarily re-installed the Rancho shocks on the rear. Fired it up and went for my first REAL drive.

All I can say is wow. Even though I have many little issues yet to solve...I'm so pleased with how it turned out, I can hardly contain my chub. The 5.13s are fantastic! My lame-a$$ H3 performance is back where it should have been all along...better than stock. There are ZERO issues with driveline vibes, and the truck handles, brakes, and steers quite nicely as-is. My steering wheel is about 10 degrees off, and the steering feels a tad "heavy" when sitting still. When you snap the wheel quickly...the PS system sort of reacts slowly. I think a ram-assist is in order. Its perfectly usable and does not leak or squeal...it just feels like it needs help. Probably very similar to Recon's first steering system.

My brakes still have some air in them. I need to re-bleed. No other issues. I'm running EBC greenies...we'll see how they perform once I get em broke in. I DO NOT HAVE AN ABS LIGHT!!! This is a great sign that maybe I did something right with my home-made ABS rings and sensors! I do however have an "airbag" light and also a "VSS" light...both of which I'm assuming have to do with the steering wheel position, and a few guys have said these sensors need to be re-calibrated with a scan tool. Neither of these lights seem to effect the drivability. I have not yet tested the ABS or TCS but I am looking for some loose pea gravel or something to play around on.

I am running without ANY sway bars right now, and the truck feels very stable, predictable, and natural. I thought it would be a nightmare but that was without any shocks. Installing the Foxes did HUGE things to control the body roll...both L-to-R and also F-to-R. My first stab at the suspension link settings feels great. There is very little dive or lift under braking or acceleration. The truck feels amazingly tight, firm, and something else I noticed...ITS VERY QUIET! Not a rattle, bump, squeek, thump, grind or anything weird...nothing whatsoever. It feels tighter than it was on day one. I'll post up some good pics in the next day or two...something better than the dim garage photos from the last six months.
 

MaxPF

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What app is that D44 out of?

As for the steering, try an experiment: With the trans in Park, rev the engine to 1500RPM and turn the wheels. Does that help? If it does, you have insufficient flow volume from the pump. If it doesn't, then the steering box you are using simply doesn't have a large enough piston to provide the required assist, and you may want to look into a ram assist setup. Be advised, however, that a ram assist requires more volume from the pump, which could cause an insufficient volume issue. It's a common problem with many ram assist setups - stock pumps simply don't move enough fluid at low idle speeds.
 

4speedfunk

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Thanks Max...I'll give that a try. I know Recon had similar pump issues. Early-on I posed the question about "rack" pressure vs. "box" pressure, and several steering companies told me the stock pump should have enough pressure. But...pressure is not flow. I see your reasoning and I'm sure I will be doing some more mods to get the steering dialed in. I've never run a ram-assist so I may hit you up if I get-in over my head.

The front axle is a GM Dana44...nothing special. Low-pinion, small-tube (1973), 1/2-ton (six-lug) hubs & spindles, Eaton E-locker, Yukon 5.13s, stock GM 3/4-ton shafts, solid spicer joints, GM knuckles, a single-hole, high-steer arm on the passenger-side knuckle (for the DL), 1-ton GM ends, and Warn lockouts. This is all over-the-counter stuff, except for the hubs. Those required some minor machining to mount early 90's GM ABS rings to the inside edges of them, and I did some additional lathe work so the H3 rotors could be adapted to them. The rotors are now "flipped"...mounted to the outside of the D44 hub flanges, and they slip-on over the wheel studs, much like a stock H3 (no longer pressed-on the back-side like a Dana). I'm running stock H3 calipers and ABS-sensors mounted to some custom caliper brackets I fabbed from 1/4" steel. I swapped out the 1/2"-13 wheel studs for some longer Toyota 12mm jobbies so the lug nuts match the rear axle. Thats pretty much it. The rotor flip added a 1/2" to the track width but, that's a very small increase to keep my H3 braking system.

The first one is always slow & expensive but, now that I got the whole enchalada figured out...it wasn't really that difficult. The machine-shop work was strictly to adapt the H3 brake system to the Dana axle, and not manditory to get the axle into the truck. I have no doubts that a guy could grab any 4.56-geared D44 from a GM truck and swap it in "as-is" with old-school Dana brakes and run it. Thats what 07Custom's white rig is. The track width is nearly indentical to the stock IFS, and it seems to fit the H3 like a glove. I hope more H3 owners go for the SAS. The work itself is not that hard...its the pyscological terror of chopping up your truck that is so difficult to overcome. Once you commit...it gets easier.
 

4speedfunk

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Hunner...how bout Land-Between-the-Lakes (western KY)? Great place to do some wheeling, camping, and such. And...they got sailboats for rent, too!
 

ReconH3

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I hope more H3 owners go for the SAS. The work itself is not that hard...its the pyscological terror of chopping up your truck that is so difficult to overcome. Once you commit...it gets easier.

Especially because the H3 caters well to SAS without having to hack it up or modify it.



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Hunner

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Hunner...how bout Land-Between-the-Lakes (western KY)? Great place to do some wheeling, camping, and such. And...they got sailboats for rent, too!

I hauled two sailboats out of there from Green Turtle. It's going to have to get cooler for my old bod!
I will look that up, again.
 

Gunner_45

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"The work itself is not that hard...its the pyscological terror of chopping up your truck that is so difficult to overcome. Once you commit...it gets easier"......

Absolutely priceless.

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ALPHA of JONESY

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Ya know what?, I think between you, ReconH3 and 07Custom, you guys have giving me a ton of inspiration and confidence in doing a SAS in my H3. I'm no stranger to doing fab work but I have never done anything as custom as retrofitting one suspension for another. I am currently rebuilding a 1967 Chevelle into a restmod corner carver and once that is done I plan on building my H3 Alpha into what GM should of done in the first place. I'm sure once that day gets here I will be picking you brain, as well as other, for pointers on how to go about making the swap. Thanks.
 

Hans3T

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CJ,

The truck is looking insanely good. Bravo to you, and a hearty thank you. Its been a lot of fun watching the progress and it's really cool to see the (almost) finished product. Gearheads like you and Bebe are idols in this community. I hope to be able to wheel with you and the wifey again someday.

:cheers:

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4speedfunk

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Now that Warren is finally out of the garage (and washed)...here's a few pics. Tires are 35"s (and look tiny). I'm currently running stock rear springs with a SOA and some Colorado/Canyon add-a-leafs. I bought them from a guy on ebay named "topguncustoms", that I had dealt with before. They were cheap and got here fast. I didn't have time to comb the boneyards for some SpeedySprings but, I still want to do his full-length 3/4ton leafs in the future. Right now I'm sitting 1/2" higher in the rear (just the way I want it to). The ride is actually very nice...not harsh at all. We'll see how the cheapy AAL's hold up over time. Don't look too close...still got some stuff hangin loose but, I'll be fixin all the details over the next couple weeks...

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Next stop?...the RTI ramp for some flexin and bump-stoppin.
 
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