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Panzer07
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This guys is freaking restarted...and a coward. this videos are getting old. I am all about people exercising their constitutional rights (I made damn sure of that by serving and still serving my country) however when I see people miss-using or should I say wrongly exercising their rights...it boils my blood and just makes me want to punch them in the dick/cooch.
He clearly broke his first amendment right by calling the officers names (nazi, SS, Gestapo) such remarks weren't necessary, as well obstructed the officers duties by making such remarks, and making then have to come an investigate them...no good citizen, would do what he did...everyone needs to be respectful and professional...that **** works both ways. Then He goes to say that nazi and SS is nothing bad...or racial. Then if such names aren't linked to a race or nation then why does he bothers to use it. Just my two cents.
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He clearly broke his first amendment right by calling the officers names (nazi, SS, Gestapo) such remarks weren't necessary, as well obstructed the officers duties by making such remarks, and making then have to come an investigate them...no good citizen, would do what he did...everyone needs to be respectful and professional...that **** works both ways. Then He goes to say that nazi and SS is nothing bad...or racial. Then if such names aren't linked to a race or nation then why does he bothers to use it. Just my two cents.
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f5moab
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Stands up? Looks like he provoked two cops who were doing their job and not bothering him at all until he started being a true redneck, acting like a kid, and called them names.
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Geez. Some people just beg for the baton don't they?
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H3Ray
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Cops make me sick when they try to intimidate us into thinking we have no rights just because they wear a badge. If we don't protect our rights by video taping, things like this will happen more and more. Good job to the home owner for invoking his rights and standing up for them! Not only that but why was a male officer frisking a woman?
Ridiculous!
Ridiculous!
I'm not a cop and I generally don't know what I'm talking about but this video seems to show that the guy who recorded it was interfering with the cops' work by yelling and causing a problem.
A male officer frisking a woman? I have no idea, but maybe they didn't have any female officers available?
A male officer frisking a woman? I have no idea, but maybe they didn't have any female officers available?
Panzer07
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The cop didn't try to intimidate nobody...he damn well acted within protocol...all he did was wave to the guy recording...the guy recording got all aggressive and start calling the officers names...in my opinion...that's a no go for exercising your right...your right are there to protect you, not to allow you to become or be a dick to everyone else. Cop was professional all the way 'till the end. Too bad I can not say the same for the guy recording,
And as for the officer "frisking the woman"...there was no such thing, you can see he just ran his hand around the Breast lines Palm facing out, it all within protocol for a male female search ( las time I check we aren't in the Middle East where a male LE or authority personal can not search females), to ensure there were nothing being conceal there he didn't grab no boob or squeeze with his palm hand, merely just a sweep totally professional. So no frisking there what so ever. And if she was in cuff must be for a reason...cops don't just stop you and automatically cuff you for the hell of it. I have had my fare share of traffic stop either directly or indirectly to wards me, and never one time the officer ask me/us to get out of the car and cuff us.
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Dude is definitely a moron. I can't stand bad cops, but I can't stand people that are stuck on stupid which this dude clearly is.
Guy may be a moron, but it's completely within 1st Amendment rights to call someone names; as it should be until your speech endangers someone. If you start restricting the 1st Amendment based on what someone doesn't like or agree with, it goes downhill really fast as so many are offended by different things. So your opinion on his speech is thankfully just that: an opinion with thankfully no legal backing.
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H3Ray
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Maybe the guy was a jerk but he is protected by the 1st Amendment.
Panzer07
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So you are telling me that then it is ok to go around calling, Russian commies Bolsheviks, and calling Iraqis/afghan haijie...as well Jews kikes...all Latinos group mexican...white folks rednecks hillbillies, KKK's...blacks ******s or skinnies...Asian Vietnamese Charlie's, so on and so forth. and that such name calling are perfectly fine...because it is part of your 1st amendment right...freedom of speech.
I don't know about you buddy but It doesn't take too much education to know that with such name calling, that at a minimum you are gonna get throat punch. sure freedom of speech grand you rights, but it is up to the exerciser to know what's a go and a no go...when it comes down to talking sh!t or exercising your freedom of speech right. And if you gonna go name calling someone better be ready to back up such words with your fist. It all comes down to education respect and professionalism...the guy damn well could of have been like "hey officer..." Rather than throwing names as nazi, ss, gestapo. I'm sure this dumb guy doesn't even know what SS stands for. What about if the officers were of german decent ?.
Now what would of happened if the officer would of have called the guy hippie hillbillies redneck. I'm sure That wouldn't fly...and everyone watching the video would of being bashing on the officer and questioning their professionalism...people seem to forget officers are just people...regardless of all that training they get. And they are just doing they job...funny how everyone talks **** and judge officers until they need them.
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cgalpha08
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Never go full retard....he went full retard
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I am all for exercising all of my rights at all times. Provoking someone into any action you don't want is pretty stupid. Fortunately my exercising of my rights stops short of stupid.
From my point of view it matters whether his actions (yelling and provoking the cops) actually, genuinely, interfered with their ability to do their job, or if they felt there was a likelihood that it would endanger them. I am not by any means a legal expert of any sorts but in my opinion, it could be argued that him yelling and verbally provoking them could cause someone to physically interfere with them. I suppose each department may have their own standards for what they will accept and listen to before taking action. I think they said he was being arrested for disorderly conduct? That seems about right to me. What would happen if any of us started yelling that type of profanities at a cop in the street on any given day? I doubt we'd get away with it
Absolutely within your rights to do that. You don't have the right to not be offended, but everyone has the right to say just about anything they damn well please.
Which would be assault, and illegal. No one said exercising your 1st Amendment was without risks.
Which is not something you should ever have to worry about from cops until you physically assault them or threaten their safety.
Officers are granted additional powers and as a consequence should be held to a higher standard while on the job. If he started calling names, I would expect him to face consequences just like I would if I started calling names while at work. Sometimes, that training IS the problem.
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We all think the USA is a free country, but are we really free? Example: If we call any LE Officer a derogatory name or question them in any way we are arrested and thrown in jail. If we don't pay taxes, we are arrested and thrown in jail. We are monitored 24/7 by video cameras (every intersection has cameras in my town) not including who is watching us online. We can be sued for slander or defamation and be arrested and thrown in jail. If we don't pay child support on time every month we can be arrested and thrown in jail, etc, etc. Do we have enough rules in this country? I got friends I visit in Sweden, Portugal, New Zealand, Asia, Caribbean, and parts of Latin America and honestly I feel I have more freedom when I am outside of America.
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I was born and grew up in Denmark and I am quite sure that all of the things you mention would have consequnces in Denmark as well.
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Dead beat dads not only should be thrown in jail,but also be publicly beaten.
cgalpha08
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I think I speak for everyone here.....if you don't like this country, feel free to leave.
If you have a problem with how something in this nation works, then fix the system the right way.
If you have a problem with how something in this nation works, then fix the system the right way.
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I have tried fixing the system. Even the idiots I want to win keep breaking it.
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H3Ray
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I feel the same way.
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The Question Is: Was this guy in violation of the law and were the officers response to his obnoxious verbal taunts appropriate?
When the obnoxious individual called out to the officers the only correct action they could have lawfully taken was to ignore him. The scene played out on the video is the common opening gambit to a successful federal violation of civil rights lawsuit (42 USC 1983). They had no probable cause to arrest the guy. The officer's demands for identification were clearly a response to their annoyance at his abrasive verbal taunts. In a federal court, should this matter get that far, they would be toast.
Fundamentally, a person has the right to say nearly anything they wish to an officer (yes, we could come up with limitations and bizarre hypotheticals that might cause one to question that assertion, but, as a rule, what I stated is correct.).
I Repeat My Earlier Comment: The officers should have ignored the loudmouth guy. They should not have approached him or trespassed on his property (they were put on notice by the guy he wished them off his property. No exigent situation existed that mitigated this demand). By coming up to him they put themselves in a difficult and un-winnable situation. They will win the battle (the arrest) but lose the war (the lawsuit). This may be unpleasant to hear for some but that is the legal system we live under in this country.
When the obnoxious individual called out to the officers the only correct action they could have lawfully taken was to ignore him. The scene played out on the video is the common opening gambit to a successful federal violation of civil rights lawsuit (42 USC 1983). They had no probable cause to arrest the guy. The officer's demands for identification were clearly a response to their annoyance at his abrasive verbal taunts. In a federal court, should this matter get that far, they would be toast.
Fundamentally, a person has the right to say nearly anything they wish to an officer (yes, we could come up with limitations and bizarre hypotheticals that might cause one to question that assertion, but, as a rule, what I stated is correct.).
I Repeat My Earlier Comment: The officers should have ignored the loudmouth guy. They should not have approached him or trespassed on his property (they were put on notice by the guy he wished them off his property. No exigent situation existed that mitigated this demand). By coming up to him they put themselves in a difficult and un-winnable situation. They will win the battle (the arrest) but lose the war (the lawsuit). This may be unpleasant to hear for some but that is the legal system we live under in this country.
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