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4speedfunk
09-17-2014, 03:50 PM
So you want a winch but, aren't ready to tackle building a bumper from scratch?

I have a couple front bumpers that were left "raw" (un-coated)...for just this purpose. We strongly encourage DIY guys to cut and weld on THORparts! So here's your chance to grab one. You can bolt it on...do some trimming on your plastic front fascia. Or...grab a welder and add your own grille, brushguard, or lighting options. These are laser-cut, precision-formed, and made from 3/16" fully-welded steel. I have two of these, and I'm blowin them outta here because they will start to rust in a week or so....$399 plus shipping.
http://www.hummer4x4offroad.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=16194&stc=1

zackcrum
09-17-2014, 03:56 PM
Do you ha e any pictures of what it would look like installed with the plastic bumper? Or is that possible?

4speedfunk
09-17-2014, 04:02 PM
Not yet. I have several front fascia's lying around and I plan to cut one up to see what it looks like. Several guys have made their own "hidden" winch mounts using this same idea. However, this would be a complete replacement bumper, rather than just a winch mount behind the stock bumper. I will try to get to it this weekend.

06 H3
09-17-2014, 06:15 PM
****in genius I'm interested

LoJac963
09-17-2014, 07:26 PM
Where's the one for the 2's? lol

06 H3
09-18-2014, 12:21 AM
O damn you only have 2 left? As you know I am still in the process of "tuning" my SAS so when money is better I will be all over it if you have them again.

5gn-h3t
10-05-2014, 05:26 PM
If I weld a cross member in between my two front frame rails (ahead of the radiator, behind the tow hooks, flush with the top and bottom of the frame) will it interfere with the mounting of your bumper?

4speedfunk
10-05-2014, 05:57 PM
If I weld a cross member in between my two front frame rails (ahead of the radiator, behind the tow hooks, flush with the top and bottom of the frame) will it interfere with the mounting of your bumper?
No. You should be okay...the THORparts bumper is open on the underside, much like a factory bumper. However, I would be careful putting any sort of crossmember here, as I could possibly block access to the winch mounting bolts.

5gn-h3t
10-05-2014, 06:22 PM
Guess I have to buy a bumper to measure :)

4speedfunk
10-05-2014, 07:01 PM
If u want one...shoot me a PM with your direct email and I will send u a PayPal link. I can ship first thing Monday morning.

I think once u see the THORparts bumper up close...you'll change your mind about adding a crossmember. The bumper itself basically does the same job.

5gn-h3t
10-05-2014, 08:59 PM
I'm going to buy one but still have a laundry list of parts that I have to buy first to make it roll again. Maybe someday I'll even drive it. Lol.

I like having a solid cross member. I'm sure the bumper is very strong but it's still bolt-on.

4speedfunk
10-05-2014, 09:08 PM
It's all crumple-zone anyway. If you're are adding a crossmember for strength purposes. I would recommend some frame rail reinforcements. The steering rack crossmember is quite robust, and unless u are cutting that off (like for a SAS)...I don't see any advantage to adding another one.

5gn-h3t
10-05-2014, 10:15 PM
What's a steering rack? :) Yes, I'm trying to reinforce the frame ahead of the (solid) axle. Frame will be plated and maybe some other magic added to it.

4speedfunk
10-06-2014, 09:27 AM
Haha. That's how u fix the rack bushing for good!

06 H3
01-03-2015, 12:27 AM
I will bump this.

I believe I am the first to run the "builder bumper" and because it is a builder bumper you do have some work to do to make it look like it belongs there. Of all the bumpers that are on the market, ARB, THORparts full bumper, Iron bull, BA bumper (when they existed) this is by far the most affordable.

So I pulled the bumper off, it was a PITA. I saw the old thread of bumper removal assuming it was easy but my bumper is pretty thrashed making it a pain. Either way its off, now I gotta figure out how to make the plastic work. I will start looking into that tomorrow because I dont wanna mess up the cuts.

I should of washed the truck after I pulled the bumper off! Luckily most of the water dried up...lol

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/A2B0FCD0-A246-4869-97F9-958E9EC3FDE1_zpszebmjqgi.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/A2B0FCD0-A246-4869-97F9-958E9EC3FDE1_zpszebmjqgi.jpg.html)

There are (5) 10mm bolts that hold the plastic fascia on the stock bumper, I removed those

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/91AC1924-8D89-440C-BDF9-878D8B628280_zps51nd1onr.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/91AC1924-8D89-440C-BDF9-878D8B628280_zps51nd1onr.jpg.html)

Now I gotta trim that to work

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/FEC9572C-43E4-4873-B599-85E313B35C31_zpsip6tf7t9.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/FEC9572C-43E4-4873-B599-85E313B35C31_zpsip6tf7t9.jpg.html)

It isnt bolted on, just slid over the frame rails.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/71A6AB0F-B724-4511-AAB5-DEA5CD384CF9_zpsx8byujzg.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/71A6AB0F-B724-4511-AAB5-DEA5CD384CF9_zpsx8byujzg.jpg.html)

Lots of space to fill....It will continue tomorrow and by the time I'm done it should look good, be very affordable at ($399) compared to other bumpers, have a great approach angle compared to before and this one will take much more abuse then the stock one.

Side note: Any so cal guys who want a winch brushguard lmk. If you have a non winch brushguard I will trade you and plus cash for me or cash for you depending on the brushguard you have or if you dont have a brushguard I will let it go for $125. (on teakatoys the winch brushguard goes for $479 and on carid it says it goes for $301)

cbetts
01-03-2015, 12:37 AM
I will bump this.

I believe I am the first to run the "builder bumper" and because it is a builder bumper you do have some work to do to make it look like it belongs there. Of all the bumpers that are on the market, ARB, THORparts full bumper, Iron bull, BA bumper (when they existed) this is by far the most affordable.

So I pulled the bumper off, it was a PITA. I saw the old thread of bumper removal assuming it was easy but my bumper is pretty thrashed making it a pain. Either way its off, now I gotta figure out how to make the plastic work. I will start looking into that tomorrow because I dont wanna mess up the cuts.

I should of washed the truck after I pulled the bumper off! Luckily most of the water dried up...lol

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/A2B0FCD0-A246-4869-97F9-958E9EC3FDE1_zpszebmjqgi.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/A2B0FCD0-A246-4869-97F9-958E9EC3FDE1_zpszebmjqgi.jpg.html)

There are (5) 10mm bolts that hold the plastic fascia on the stock bumper, I removed those

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/91AC1924-8D89-440C-BDF9-878D8B628280_zps51nd1onr.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/91AC1924-8D89-440C-BDF9-878D8B628280_zps51nd1onr.jpg.html)

Now I gotta trim that to work

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/FEC9572C-43E4-4873-B599-85E313B35C31_zpsip6tf7t9.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/FEC9572C-43E4-4873-B599-85E313B35C31_zpsip6tf7t9.jpg.html)

It isnt bolted on, just slid over the frame rails.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/71A6AB0F-B724-4511-AAB5-DEA5CD384CF9_zpsx8byujzg.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/71A6AB0F-B724-4511-AAB5-DEA5CD384CF9_zpsx8byujzg.jpg.html)

Lots of space to fill....It will continue tomorrow and by the time I'm done it should look good, be very affordable at ($399) compared to other bumpers, have a great approach angle compared to before and this one will take much more abuse then the stock one.

Side note: Any so cal guys who want a winch brushguard lmk. If you have a non winch brushguard I will trade you and plus cash for me or cash for you depending on the brushguard you have or if you dont have a brushguard I will let it go for $125. (on teakatoys the winch brushguard goes for $479 and on carid it says it goes for $301)

Looks great Chris! Can't wait until we can get together again. I am hoping to have my THORparts bumper soon!

Renagade132
01-03-2015, 04:24 AM
Wish you had them for H2's!

3Hummers
01-03-2015, 09:39 AM
Nice job Chris

06 H3
01-06-2015, 06:17 PM
We gotta catch up soon Craig!

Heres an update on the "builder bumper" I hit a road block. I cant decide if I use the stock pods or ditch em and get the huge 9in LED round lights and that will bascially cover all of the space in the back. I made my own little grille in the back. If I use the stock light pods I will mount them and then extend the corner of the grille forward. Anyways, heres pics. So the question is do I keep the stock pods or not? Also, I nicked one of the pods with the angle grinder. I can get more factory plastic light pods easily though.

All of this is just there, nothing mounted.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/BC36F5E5-9690-4C42-9B22-EBBB2947FBDD_zpschsivn07.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/BC36F5E5-9690-4C42-9B22-EBBB2947FBDD_zpschsivn07.jpg.html)

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/CB488390-C540-429B-A8C5-9E870DFFECFF_zpsynpucics.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/CB488390-C540-429B-A8C5-9E870DFFECFF_zpsynpucics.jpg.html)

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/4FBC51F0-2707-4CA3-91C7-E0D05FFD260D_zpszaobjhh9.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/4FBC51F0-2707-4CA3-91C7-E0D05FFD260D_zpszaobjhh9.jpg.html)

Heres a good shot of what I have to cover, a 9in LED might cover it well...

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/5744C27C-38DE-4F06-BA2E-8420420723C9_zpsanfpbtcs.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/5744C27C-38DE-4F06-BA2E-8420420723C9_zpsanfpbtcs.jpg.html)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1X-96W-Red-Round-Cree-led-driving-SPOT-Work-light-4WD-Offroad-4X4-SUV-ATV-UTE/181602473818?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D7445baf47a144829986 643ac292b168b%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D2013100313242 0%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D400788096103&rt=nc

EDIT: I would also paint repaint the faded plastic light pods if I kept em and ignore the mess in the garage. We still have a lot of my grandma's stuff since she passed.

cbetts
01-06-2015, 10:33 PM
I like the look of the "stock" pods. They help keep the original Hummer lines.

4speedfunk
01-07-2015, 09:52 AM
I think Squeaky is turning into the "Michael Jackson" of Hummers! I vote for some big round junk Chinese LEDs bolted to the top of the bumper...outboard of the winch. Trim the plastic inners even with the radiator support. Fab a metal grille to sit behind the winch & lights, and cover the whole radiator support, end-to-end. I'm big believer that there is no such thing as a quality LED...they're all crap! So just pick some off eBay and bolt em on.

How bout some 9-inchers...http://www.ebay.com/itm/1X-Red-Round-9INCH-96W-Cree-Led-Driving-SPOT-Work-Light-4WD-Offroad-TRUCK-SUV-/191469723843?pt=US_Car_Lighting&hash=item2c947c20c3&vxp=mtr

06 H3
01-07-2015, 10:18 AM
LOL, Michael Jackson of hummers??? Cant tell if thats a good thing, bad thing or neither

So instead of being a black hummer I wanna be a white jeep? :giggle:

4speedfunk
01-07-2015, 10:28 AM
See what I mean?...

http://www.hummer4x4offroad.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17306&stc=1 http://www.hummer4x4offroad.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17307&stc=1

06 H3
01-07-2015, 01:18 PM
I guess I can see it lol :(

cbetts
01-07-2015, 01:21 PM
You need to paint the front right wheel silver to be the glove! :giggle:

4speedfunk
01-07-2015, 01:29 PM
Or install some spinners on the wheels. That way while they are spinning forward, you can throw the truck in reverse and "moon-walk" your way across the mall parking lot. :giggle:

06 H3
01-07-2015, 04:11 PM
Holy **** you guys are horrible!!! Lol

06 H3
01-12-2015, 01:15 AM
Heres an update. Got the winch installed the grille behind it. It should of been done a while ago just time is always a killer. Anyways, I ordered 2 9in knock off ARB clone round LEDs tracking says thursday, they are coming straight from China lol

heres a picture they are massive!!!

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/attachments/stereo-electronics-electrical/73541d1366469029-arb-intensity-led-lights-img_1725.jpg

It should cover the space well.

Here are some pics.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/2244D7E6-4F2B-4B44-8DEE-0D1E247C843B_zpsjmapbujg.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/2244D7E6-4F2B-4B44-8DEE-0D1E247C843B_zpsjmapbujg.jpg.html)

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/D4E1D1AE-9B0D-4C9B-8E72-DD2B432DFF5D_zps7igjqnq4.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/D4E1D1AE-9B0D-4C9B-8E72-DD2B432DFF5D_zps7igjqnq4.jpg.html)

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/70FBD36E-6C2C-4929-B77F-1C4C3573A2C4_zpsubxejtwr.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/70FBD36E-6C2C-4929-B77F-1C4C3573A2C4_zpsubxejtwr.jpg.html)

Now heres the big part of this. I recommend it for people who wheel hard. CJ has had a good amount of installs for his thor parts bumpers and he has never had an issue with things lining up, I am an exception I guess. my bolt holes wont line up at all. I then took the bumper back off and sat there with a ratchet strap and pulled the frame rails inwards. SCARY!

To boot guess what GM added on 08-10 models?? A middle support bar, there must be a reason for that. So I took 1.75x.120 wall DOM tubing, strapped the frame rails put them where they should be and welded it on. Now its solid. Not sure it was the SAS or the hard pulls and abuse from the so cal trails we have. Either way if GM added that "support bar" after 3 years of production I think its safe to say it might have been an issue in the past. Between that bar and the THORparts bumper bolted on I wont have to worry about it again.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/32D0B653-BC39-4F67-8B18-6EC107B4587A_zpsbfrrxkyi.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/32D0B653-BC39-4F67-8B18-6EC107B4587A_zpsbfrrxkyi.jpg.html)

4speedfunk
01-12-2015, 12:03 PM
I don't think GM added the crash bar in 08 for any sort of frame enhancement...its way too flemsy to be called a crossmember. Also the way it attaches does nothing to actually stiffen the front frame rails. I think it has more to do with protecting the lower tank of the plastic radiator, or possibly adding a tad more tinfoil to the already tinfoil front bumper to "up" the impact rating. Whatever it is...the 08-up bar is useless as any sort of "enhancement" and I find they make great pull-up bars if you screw them to your garage ceiling joists.

Back to your fitment issue...
I think the root of your problem with your frame rails moving around, is the lack of any crossmember forward of the motor. You were probably okay with the IFS because the factory rack & pinion crossmember (along with the drop-out diff crossmember), makes for a pretty stiff package. But when you did the SAS...all that got removed, and the only real crossmember remaining was the two motor mounts and the engine block. Then once you add the steering box (instead of IFS) you are doubling or tripling the lateral forces on the frame rails. You can literally push & pull the frame rails apart from each other, making for a very bad scenario. This is a common issue with all big-tire 4x4's and Jeeps are famous (especially uni-body XJs) for this same problem. No doubt the stock H3 front bumper does nothing to control the flex.

I've been running a THORparts front bumper for years...both before and after the SAS. It never occurred to me how flemsy the frame would be without it (after the SAS). It is essentially...a bolt-on crossmember, and I sort of ignored any frame flex issues because I knew the bumper would account for the missing crossmembers. But, now that I have seen how crooked your rig is...I think anybody contemplating an SAS needs to address this problem by using a thick, strong, aftermarket front bumper...or by welding-in a crossmember like you did. You do some pretty extreme rock crawling, so its not a huge surprise that Squeaky is tweeked that much. What is a tad surprising, is how easily it can be manipulated with nothing more than a ratchet strap. Good job, and let us know if you can feel any difference in the steering, now that the frame is secured.

06 H3
01-14-2015, 11:57 AM
Mocking up the lights

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/3036F590-AF64-4F65-A4F7-DE5664A0CD5E_zpsokrhzoja.png (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/3036F590-AF64-4F65-A4F7-DE5664A0CD5E_zpsokrhzoja.png.html)

4speedfunk
01-14-2015, 02:15 PM
How bout a 3/4 view pic (not straight-on)? Things look different from an angle.
Have you tried those out at night yet? They look like something off a Boeing 767.

06 H3
01-16-2015, 12:08 PM
I'll get some side pics today. I also just got the bright idea of finally ordering my tube bender die. I have had a jd2 model 32 bender sitting in the garage for a year with no die. Just ordered a 1.75 die. they are backordered so it should be here in 2 weeks. I have some 1.75 .120wall Dom sitting around. That will finish the bumper off and a good first project with a bender

ABNTROOP
01-23-2015, 11:33 PM
Bump, any updates?

06 H3
01-24-2015, 03:07 AM
Yes. Sorry I will still get side pictures. The lights are bright as hell!!! Lol tube bender did is ordered

ABNTROOP
01-24-2015, 11:11 AM
Well hurry the hell up LOL! We're all waitin!:giggle:

Cyouincourt007
01-24-2015, 11:37 AM
:corn: Hehehe

zackcrum
01-25-2015, 01:05 AM
Man that does look good from the side......

06 H3
01-25-2015, 10:44 PM
sorry for lagging guys, Getting a side shot while it sat for a week in the driveway was no good. Now shes finally driving with the header so I could take it out. These mother ****ers are bright!!! I still have to trim more plastic and maybe fill some more gap.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/SqueakyH3/666B7F13-F587-4BDE-97DE-15B41450415A_zpsetvjl1hy.jpg (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/SqueakyH3/media/666B7F13-F587-4BDE-97DE-15B41450415A_zpsetvjl1hy.jpg.html)

zackcrum
01-26-2015, 12:04 AM
Looks good, I may go this route soon

06 H3
01-26-2015, 12:43 AM
I still have things to finish on it just been busy.

taylorblake831
02-27-2015, 09:03 AM
I still have things to finish on it just been busy.

Hey how would the stock skid plates mount up to this I know you don't have them being that you swapped your ifs for straight but it's there mounts for it or do you think it would be an easy drill and bolt job

ABNTROOP
02-27-2015, 09:22 AM
Yeah, if possible Id like to keep my 08' alpha ridged skid plate

06 H3
02-27-2015, 11:42 AM
There's holes already there for the stock skid

derian06
02-27-2015, 12:44 PM
Alphas have to use a 06-07 skid, mod their skid, or buy the thorparts skid.

ABNTROOP
02-27-2015, 01:09 PM
What has to be modded on the alpha skid? New mounting holes?

derian06
02-27-2015, 01:30 PM
What has to be modded on the alpha skid? New mounting holes?

Im not sure, I don't think anyone has modded it to fit. The alpha skid is bigger and wider, so probably that plus som trimming.

06 H3
02-27-2015, 02:29 PM
Its the same as the THORparts regular bumper. I am not too sure to be honest because I have never mounted the newer skid, when I was IFS I had the oldschool H3 logo skid.

4speedfunk
03-01-2015, 05:57 AM
The THORparts bumper takes the early style (06-07) front skid, or the THORparts front skid. No drilling required. Alpha skids are the same as 5-cyl. skids....and all are the late (08-10) style. The two styles do not interchange.