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Redbird 8-26-12...

4speedfunk

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Cgalpha and myself had a blast yesterday. It was a perfect day for wheeling, and much to our surprise...we only saw 1 other vehicle all day (a side-by-side). The drought has brought some benefits...dry trails! Redbird has some of the most technical trails I've run. Tire placement, angles, etc are all very critical and if you get it wrong, you'll be up against a tree. So we were glad the place was so dry. Its heavily wooded, and loaded with tight turns and whoops. Many times you must power up a steep ravine, and crest the top...totally blind. Plan on doing a lot of walking and pre-planning your lines.

It was just the two of us, so I have a bunch of shots of CG in action...

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cgalpha08

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Let me just begin by saying that i am truly amazed by 4 speed's rig, especially for just building it in his garage on jack stands. Neither of our rigs had mechanical problems at all. There was a lot of butt pucker, ans as 4speed said, if you werent watching where you were going, you were going to end up scraping against a tree. The only issue yesterday was that it was about 95 degrees out and my engine over heated once, but then we just took a break to let it cool off.

I have some videos of 4 speeds rig that i am working on putting together and uploading so hold tight!
 

4speedfunk

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I love the new suspension. It takes awhile to get use to the extra height...especially when its leaning. Just like a mast on a sailboat...the lean gets amplified the taller you go. So, you have to pay more attention to the corners of the roof when you get into some tight tree-lined areas. My turning radius is reduced a tad from stock, so CG was able to simply crank most corners in a single pass, while I had to do a 3-point turn. Still...I feel the trade-off is worth it, and my confidence increased throughout the day. Toward the end of our day...I stabbed it pretty good climbing up and out of the forest. The 5-cylinder screamed and I cooked all four tires, grinnin and spinnin up a very steep, rooty hillside. It was startling how well it climbed, and I had to get out of the throttle before I over-shot the top. I gotta say everything felt great, and other than the forearm workout...I'm pleased.

I'm working on a new longer pitman arm that should shorten my wheel travel, and lessen the amount of wheel that I have to turn. In the tight areas...my elbows were flyin! The vehicle turning radius is a different issue, and right now it is limited by the lower links. I don't yet have a plan on how to fix it, and this problem will only get worse with the 37s. I'm considering re-doing the lower links with "bent" ones so they clear the tires at full lock. More on that later....one problem at a time.

UPDATE:
I noticed on the way home that my truck was exhibiting some weird handling issues that it didn't have before. At highway speeds, it would slightly dart to the right under acceleration, and dart to the left while coasting. I knew something wasn't right but, it was covered with mud, and I couldn't see anything obvious. So this morning I washed it and found that one of my Johnny Joints (driver-side lower-front link) had come apart. There is a large snap ring, and some other "stuff" inside of them, and it was all un-done and hangin out the side of the casting. This shouldn't be happening as I have less than a 1000 miles on em. My guess is that it wasn't properly assembled. I'm gonna pull it off today and see if I need to replace it or if I can simply put it back together and re-seat the snap ring. My rig is not flexy...so I can't imagine that I over-flexed the joint. It has to be an assembly issue. In the scheme of things...this is a very minor repair, so I'm still quite happy with my day at Redbird.

P.s. Redbird is a stunningly beautiful place to wheel. It appears to be well-funded, clean, and well worth the $10 entrance fee.
 

cgalpha08

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Alright, here is the video, forgive the shakyness of some spots, i was trying to film, spot and not get run over at the same time lol

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4speedfunk

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Sweet vid! Nice soundtrack too. That was a fun day. Lets do it again soon.

BTW...Here's what the problem was. Look close and you can see the snap ring and washer hanging out of place...
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So, I yanked the control arm (5 minutes) and looked it over...
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I couldn't really find anything wrong with it. Looks like the snap ring popped out of its groove. So I just popped it back in...made sure it was fully seated this time...
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Re-installed it...squirted some grease in there...fixed. Wish all trail damage was this easy to repair!
 

cgalpha08

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Well that's a good question. The first part we did was go up 0 and ended up around the powerline. Then did a couple of loops north of the powerline, i forget the number. Then we went down 14, south of the powerline. Decided to take trail 2,which is not on the map, so we had no idea where we were at all, other than a general vacinity. Eventually we found the road. Then we went into trail 1 by the main parking lot, which wasn't bad until you go down the most difficult section. We reached a point where if you went a couple of inches to tge right you were going to end up upside down at the bottom of a hill.

Id say trail 2 was the most exciting, especially since it wasn't on the map lol.

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cgalpha08

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Thanks 4speed! y'all need to come wheel with 4speed the next time because his rig is truly impressive and beastly, he really built it right. The h3 is really a good candidate for the sas, looks like it could have come from the factory that way.

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mkmcgreg

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I will be at the next event! Way past due. Now that you guys have been to both which do u prefer badlands or Redbird?
 

4speedfunk

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Well...It all depends on what you're after. There are four off-road parks in my area:

Badlands is really tough to beat. Its a privately owned top-notch facility with every sort of terrain you can imagine. They hold national sanctioned events and get-togethers almost every weekend. Its four times the size of Redbird....but it usually has 10 times the crowd (especially during an event). However they do a good job at keeping events contained in certain areas, so the rest of the park is always open to visitors. Badlands is the premier park here in the midwest...if not the country. It has dunes, mud, rivers, forests, rock-garden, river-bottoms, rocks....pretty amazing how diverse it is. It can get crowded on the weekends, but its always a good time. Admission is $20, and a flag is required.

Redbird is actually an Indiana State Recreational Area (or SRA). It is owned and operated by the state and therefore has some tighter regulations. Its very clean and pretty much all steep forest trails, with some mud. Lots of wildlife running around and you can expect to see deer, eagles, coons, and such. They have a small rock garden with a really cool observation deck built along side it. Redbird is definitely a more natural setting, and it feels more like a camping/hiking area than a off-road park. I'm sure it can get crowded but last Saturday there was a total of four trailers in the parking lot. We saw only one other vehicle the entire morning...a lone side-by-side. Admission is $10 to Indiana residents...not sure about out-of-staters.

Haspin Acres
has long been considered the "hill-billy" park of the bunch. I have not been there in years but, the last time I went...it was pretty crazy. They allow camping inside the park...and that adds its own unique (alcoholic) flavor. Expect to hear war-hooping, and revving motors at 3am. You might want to leave the wife & kids at home for this one. Its very muddy, and your rig will look out of place if it has not been in a previous roll-over. I'm trying to get the courage up to visit again....but I need to grow a beard and download some more Lynard Skyard first. Maybe knock out a front tooth so I fit in.

Interlake - doesn't really exist.

All of these parks are shared with motorcycles, quads, and side-by-sides but, most of them have areas reserved for each type of ORV. The state-run parks require a either a licensed vehicle, or a ORV permit (for mc/quads/etc.). These permits can be purchased from the Indiana DNR, or DMV. Indiana is heavily wooded so, the wheeling is low-speed and flag-less. The only exception to this is the Badlands, and you will need a flag to enter. The dunes area of the Badlands can get very busy, and I have seen motorcycles & quads blindly launching 40-50 feet over the top of the dunes at 60+ mph....so the flag is a good idea.
 
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08H3

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Interlake? I thought we agreed that was like Area 51. We weren't going to let the secret out and keep it to ourselves! :)
 
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